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Rethinking third base PDF Print E-mail
Voice of the Fan - Padres Fan Blogs
Written by Richard Dorsha   
Monday, 06 September 2010 14:20
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The losing streak aside, there are some major decisions that need to be made this off-season. In my eyes, one major one is whether or not Chase Headley is the long-term answer at third base. Granted, he’s still young and is wrapping up his first full season at the position. But I crunched some numbers and I am distressed by the trend.

 First, let’s look at Headley’s first 3 seasons in the bigs (I include ’08, since he appeared in 90 games).

1st: .269, 9 HR, 38 RBI, 19 2B, 3.18 K/BB

2nd: .262, 12 HR, 64 RBI, 31 2B, 4.08 K/BB

So, better… right? I mean not Mike Schmidt improvement year-to-year, but still better. Then, here’s 2010 (where he’s had the same AB’s as he had last year, so it’s a good comp):

3rd: .272, 10 HR, 54 RBI, 27 2B, 4.94 K/BB.

 So… what can we see? Average is up, slightly. Strikeouts are down, slightly. But the power and RBI numbers are down. So making MORE contact, he’s getting FEWER extra-base hits? Before we draw any conclusions, let’s look at the first three years of another Padre and see if we see a correlation.

1st: .286, 7 HR, 58 RBI, 27 2B, 6.89 K/BB

2nd: .298, 2 HR, 47 RBI, 23 2B, 10.05 K/BB

3rd: .250, 1 HR, 17 RBI, 7 2B, 6.91 K/BB (in only 93 games, so about half a season)

If you’re a Padres fan, you recognize those numbers. If you’re not, that is the epic failure known as Sean Burroughs. Had a 2003 that had us thinking he was the solution at third base, rarely struck out and darned near became the first Padre to hit .300 since Tony Gwynn. 2004 came around and we saw an even high average and better K/BB, but the power numbers were down. And then there was 2005. ick. Granted, the kid was hurt part of the year, but the guy stopped improving. In fact, he regressed.

 Now, am I saying Chase Headley is Sean Burroughs? Of course not… but then again, I see a real eerie similarity between Burrough’s improved contact/depressed power in ’03 and ’04… with Headley’s ’09 and ’10. And the fact that Headley has gained nothing at all in power numbers despite moving into the prime of his career is even more distressing. Sure the guy steals bases, but is that what you want out of your number 5 hitter and a corner infielder. In fact, I would argue that Headley looks to steal bases to increase his own value and keep his job.

 I like how he plays, I’ve interviewed him in the clubhouse when I did some TV stuff and he’s a good dude. But, clubhouse chemistry aside, this cannot be all you get out of your third baseman. Where do we go from here? I dunno. What I do know is that the Padres need to consider their future at third base. Not that third basemen are easy to come by… you think the Cubs would like to have the Aramis Ramirez deal back? Probably… I guess the point is, Chase Headley might be playing for his job, starting next year…. especially with James Darnell and Logan Forsythe breathing down his back-side.

 

Comments  

 
+1 # 2010-09-06 16:24
Headley's ISO is slightly down, as is his wOBA...but his 4.3 WAR is good for sixth among all MLB third basemen and his 14.1 UZR is second behind only Zimmerman's 15.9. Headley's demise seems grossly overrated.
 
 
# clb2224 2010-09-07 09:59
And his cluth hitting drives me nuts. His.221 BA with RISP kills the Padres because he hits in critical spots. Black is responsible for putting him there but he continues to struggle with 16 BB and 32 SO in those spots (131 AB). It is not the imagination that tells you he is not the right kind of hitter for his position. He might be acceptable as a 2B with those numbers.
 
 
# fifthandlaurel 2010-09-07 10:04
Sure, Headley's ISO has dipped a few points as has his wOBA...but this completely overlooks his value overall, especially as a defender. Among all MLB third basemen, Headley's 14.1 UZR ranks second behind only Zimmerman (15.9) and his 4.3 WAR is sixth among all qualified at his position.
 
 
# fifthandlaurel 2010-09-07 10:04
Also, while it's completely understandable that Headley could look to help his team by stealing bases, but to use that as an example of him "playing for his job" is a bit of an overreaction. He's providing outstanding value at a discount salary and his competition at 3B from the lower levels, well, leaves a lot to be desired.

Forsythe has posted a .080 ISO for 2010 and .389 career SLG at the minor league level, whereas Darnell has failed to field his position at 3B. I'd say those issues make these two less likely to breathe down his neck at 3B and, frankly, more likely to see the front office reevaluate their positions next Spring Training.

I’d say tales of Headley’s demise are greatly exaggerated.
 
 
# SD Steve 2010-09-07 17:25
Richard,

Great work as usual. I feel that the reason his power numbers are because of his struggles from the right side of the plate (his natural side).

From the left side he is more of a slap hitter and in the past he has put up better power numbers from the right side...for what it's worth.
 
 
# briankoke 2010-09-08 17:23
I don't think Headley is or is ever going to be what Padres fans (including myself) expected (the savior); although, he has been valuable to this team. I think Headley is going to get a little bit better over the next couple years, but I don't think he's going to be much more than an average third baseman.

His defense has been very good, he's got a little power, he can steal, and hit a little bit. I think he can be a Casey Blake type player. If Headley played half of his games in a different park his numbers would look much more respectable. He's a career .300 .359 .442 hitter outside of Petco.

We have bigger holes to worry about than 3rd base.
 
 
# 2010-09-10 11:04
Before you start comparing Headley to Sean Burroughs remember that Burroughs went from playing at Qualcomm Stadium in 2003 to Petco Park the year after so it was no surprise his power numbers were down that year. Headley on the other hand was never a big power guy anyway. His HR total at Lake Elsinore in 2006 was 12, in 2007 at San Antonio was 20. He did hit 23 in 2008 between Portland/SD and remember the PCL is a hitter's league. Either way don't expect Headley to be anywhere close to a 30 HR guy because he just isn't one.
 
 
# 2010-09-10 11:41
I agree with FifthandLaurel, you have to look at what options the Padres would have to replace Headley. Darnell's so-so season was saved by a big August and Forsythe hit .189 at home..any idea what Headley hit in the same park? He hit .312, which is very good for San Antonio.

Away from PETCO this year he is hitting .297/.342/.450 - could it be better overall? Yes, but unless you want to spend a boatload of money it isn't happening.
 
 
# 2010-09-14 17:53
Another point is that he's a switch hitter, and they take awhile. Switching is good if you're trying to avoid a platoon, but Chase has no worries about that now. He might do better to stick to RH.
 

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