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It’s Still Just a Matter of Time PDF Print E-mail
Voice of the Fan - Visitors Pass
Written by Brian Koke   
Sunday, 31 October 2010 11:05
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The Padres face a familiar dilemma this offseason with Adrian Gonzalez.  With constant statements made by the front office expressing how impractical it is to retain Adrian beyond 2011, the Padres have three choices.  They can keep him for now and trade him at the deadline, keep him through next season, or trade him this offseason for the best value.

If the Padres are able to improve the offense this offseason, they could try to compete and reassess at the deadline.  If they are out of contention at the deadline, they would most likely trade him.  If the Padres are still in contention at the deadline, they could keep him and receive two top 50 draft picks in the 2012 draft.

The Padres exceeded expectations winning 90 games and fell just short when eliminated in the final game of the season.  They won with spectacular pitching and timely hitting.  It’s going to be hard for the Padres to compete again next year without significantly improving their offense.  Unfortunately, the Padres don’t have many trade chips to acquire offense, and it’s going to be another extremely weak free agent market.  If the Padres can’t significantly improve their offense and they are offered good value for Adrian this offseason, they should pull the trigger.

There is little doubt that the Padres would receive more value for Adrian now than they would at the deadline.  A full year of Adrian Gonzalez at 5.5 million is still extremely valuable.  A half a year rental would almost certainly have to come with a window to extend for the team acquiring him if the Padres want fair value.

Teams we can immediately rule out:

The Athletics (Daric Barton), Royals (Billy Butler/Kila Ka’aihue), Brewers (Prince Fielder), Indians (Matt LaPorta), Mets (Ike Davis), Phillies (Ryan Howard), Cardinals (Albert Pujols), Astros (Brett Wallace), Reds (Joey Votto), Rockies (Todd Helton), Mariners (Justin Smoak), Braves (Freddie Freeman), Marlins (Gaby Sanchez), and Twins (Justin Morneau) have likely candidates for first base in house.

Not likely:

The Yankees and Tigers could easily be added to the list above.  The Yankees have Mark Teixeira, but Tex and Gonzalez could always split time between first and DH.  It’s an extremely unlikely scenario, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Yankees do something like that.  Money is no object, they have some good prospects, and nothing would please them more than keeping a coveted player away from the Red Sox.  The Tigers have Miguel Cabrera at first, but he isn’t the greatest defensive first baseman in baseball.  Cabrera could be moved to DH opening up a spot for the gold glover at first.  Again, that is a very unlikely scenario.

The Pirates are in full rebuilding mode and haven’t seemed to have much interest in high priced free agents; although, they don’t have many options at 1B.

The Rays don’t seem willing to pony up for their franchise player Carl Crawford.  If they can’t afford Crawford, they can’t afford Gonzalez.

The Diamondbacks may be cutting more payroll and they need to fix their pitching before worrying about anything else.

The Dodgers have James Loney, but he didn’t have a very good season.  They’ve had interest in Gonzalez in the past, but may not be open to a mega contract with the divorce drama.

The Giants Aubrey Huff is a free agent at the end of the season.  I don’t think the Giants have the talent the Padres need in return.  The Giants, Diamondbacks, and Dodgers would all be less likely within the division.

The Blue Jays probably don’t want to give up a bunch of prospects after they just traded their ace to revamp their system.

The Rangers’ Jorge Cantu is going to be a free agent, and Chris Davis has been a disappointment in the major leagues.  They seem willing to spend big bucks to retain Cliff Lee.  If they miss out on the Cliff Lee sweepstakes, could they be willing to trade for and extend Adrian Gonzalez?  They do have Mitch Moreland who can play first base or either corner outfield position.

The Angels have Kendry Morales; although, he can play the outfield.  They also have first baseman Mark Trumbo who had a very good season in AAA this year.  Not even Adrian Gonzalez could pry Mike Trout away from the Angels, but a deal would almost certainly have to start with Peter Bourjos.

The Padres biggest needs are middle infielders and outfielders.  More particularly, center field, short stop and or second base.  They need top of the order table setters and players that can drive in runs.

Teams that could be interested:

Red Sox:  The Sox are the obvious front runner if Adrian is traded.  They covet Adrian and Kevin Youkilis can move to third base to make room.  They have several players the Padres should have interest in.  Jed Lowrie is major league ready and can play short stop, second, or third base. Lowrie has above average power for a middle infielder, gets on base, hits for average, and has average speed.  Ryan Kalish is also major league ready.  Kalish can play all three outfield positions and has an average arm.  He hits for average to all fields, has some power, above average speed, and gets on base.  Jacoby Ellsbury needs no introduction.  He would be the perfect player for Petco Park, and Hoyer inquired about his availability at this year’s deadline.  Casey Kelly is one of the best pitching prospects in baseball and has the potential to be a frontline starter in the major leagues.  Jose Iglesias would already be an above average major league short stop defensively.  He has plus plus potential defensively with above average glove, range, arm, and instincts.  He hits for average, but doesn’t have much power or patience.  He also has slightly above average speed.  Kelly and Iglesias played in AA this year and aren’t far off from major league ready.

White Sox:  Kenny Williams is the most daring general manager in baseball.  The White Sox will need a first baseman if Paul Konerko signs with a different team.  I’m not sure the White Sox have what it takes to get Adrian without giving up Gordon Beckham.  They have some interesting prospects in Jared Mitchell and Tyler Flowers; although, Mitchell missed the entire season due to injury and is not close to the major leagues.  Tyler Flowers was a huge disappointing this year hitting just .220 .334 .434 for AAA Charlotte.  Maybe a three way trade with one of John Danks or Gavin Floyd going to another team, and that teams prospects going to the Padres could work.

Cubs:  They traded away impending free agent Derek Lee and Xavier Nady will join him in free agency.  The Cubs will need a first baseman this offseason and have some prospects/players the Padres should be interested in.  Starlin Castro would be the first player Hoyer asks about, but is the most untouchable player the Cubs have.  Tyler Colvin had a pretty good rookie season hitting .254 .316 .500 as the Cubs left fielder. Colvin is a great athlete with average or better tools across the board.  He can play center field, but is better suited for a corner.  He isn’t a very patient hitter and he’s left handed which isn’t ideal for Petco Park.  Brett Jackson is very intriguing.  He has a plus arm and range in center field.  He’s patient, he hits for average, power, and steals bases.  Jackson hit .297 .395 .493 between A+ and AA this season.  Andrew Cashner has some exciting stuff, but he’s probably better suited for relief.  Jay Jackson and Christopher Archer are starters with good stuff.  Wellington Castillo is a good defensive catcher with power who’s blocked by Geovany Soto.  The Cubs player of the year Brandon Guyer hit .344 .398 .588 with 58 extra base hits and 30 stolen bases in 33 attempts.  Guyer is another good athlete capable of playing all three outfield positions. He has plus speed, an above average arm, and plenty of raw power.

Orioles:  The Orioles tried to sign Mark Teixeira as a free agent before the Evil Empire swooped in with their bags of cash.  They seem willing to spend if it’s for the right player and Adrian is very comparable to Tex.  The Orioles need a first baseman and have some good young players the Padres could be interested in.  Adam Jones would be a good fit for Petco Park and the Orioles could use Felix Pie in center field.  They could have interest in Josh Bell for third base, and the Orioles have a ton of pitching.

Nationals:  The Nationals need a first baseman if they cannot re-sign Adam Dunn, and seem willing to spend some money.  The big question is, are they willing to give up some of their young pieces to trade for Adrian?  The Nats have some good up and coming middle infielders in Ian Desmond and Danny Espinoza, but see them as the future at short stop and second base.  Justin Maxwell has plus speed, he’s an above average defender in center field, and he has above average power.  Unfortunately, Maxwell hasn’t had much success in at the big league level.  Michael Burgess also has some exciting tools, but he’s a right fielder.

Adrian Gonzalez had a minor surgery done on his non-throwing shoulder two weeks ago.  The surgery went very well, and he should be ready for the beginning of the 2011 season.  This won’t deter teams from calling and asking about Adrian’s availability.  It’s still going to take a lot to pry Adrian away from the Padres.  It’s going to be an interesting offseason.

 

Comments  

 
# 2010-10-31 16:51
They would be FOOLISH to trade Gonzo why not try to build a team around him? That is the 1 draw back I have with the Padres. They will trade away a solid ball players instead of getting players to make the team a better team!!
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# briankoke 2010-10-31 17:49
They've made it perfectly clear that they can't afford to keep him beyond 2011. What team can afford to spend 20+% of their payroll on 1 player?
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# 2010-11-05 08:50
More like 50% - Pads spent $38m last year...A-Gonz will command at least $20m per year over 6-7 years after this season.
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# briankoke 2010-11-05 19:24
The Padres payroll isn't staying at 38 million for the next 6-7 years.
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# 2010-11-05 08:17
as crazy as it sounds, they cannot support the contract Gonzo deserves...he will look good though at fenway. we will ride him to the WS. picture this:gonzo in the 3 hole, youk at cleanup, papi at the 5 spot...WOW!!
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# Tjpadfan 2010-11-04 15:49
In other words, they are in the same position that last season.
I believe they the pitching to be a contender in the division, but some hiting would be welcome.
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# 2010-11-05 07:42
why rule the mets out? ike makes perfect sense as a building block for an offer (whether ny has any intention of doing it or not)... he's not elite or expensive, but had a very solid rookie campaign and is affordable and controllable which the pads are surely looking for in return
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# briankoke 2010-11-05 19:26
Kyle Blanks is still the future at 1B. A first baseman as the main piece of a deal makes zero sense. We have bigger holes to fill.
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# 2010-11-05 07:56
Great article. I hope he comes to the Sox, but it will be really interesting to see what they would have to give up. Ellsbury seems obvious, since him and the Sox aren't getting along. So maybe something like Casey Kelly, Ellsbury, and Jed Lowrie?

Thoughts?
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# briankoke 2010-11-05 19:27
I would want those three and one more lower level high upside prospect. That might be getting a little greedy though.
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# 2010-11-06 05:38
kelly, ells AND lowrie... wow that is pretty steep for one year of gonzo's service. i really really love how lowrie is coming together and i think he SHOULD be scutoro's replacement. i would rather give up scut(pick up most of the cash), kelly(i don't like him), jj red[censored], and nava. you throw all those names at the wall and at least two will stick.
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# briankoke 2010-11-06 19:26
Why would the Padres want Scutoro? They need young controllable players.

I think you guys could give up Lowrie without blinking. Scutoro's contract sets up Iglesias perfectly. If he's not ready ready after next year, pick up Scutoro's option.

"kelly(i don't like him"

I wouldn't be put off by his numbers this year. That kid has massive potential and AA was a very aggressive move for Kelly.

Red[censored] does nothing for me and Nava even less so.
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# 2010-11-05 08:04
Look at what Texas accomplished by trading Mark Teixiera. Smaller market teams need to maximize the value of their stars. Gonzo is worth the most right now, not after the season starts. What I don't understand (as a Yankee fan living in NY) is why does SD operate as a small market team? You are smack dab in a large and very affluent urban area.
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# briankoke 2010-11-05 19:41
Market size is different than population. While SD is a big city, the media market size is one of the worst in baseball. It doesn't help that we have a foreign country to the south that can't legally cross the border, ocean to the west, desert to the east, and 2 major baseball franchise (Dodgers/Angels) 100 miles to the north.
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# 2010-11-05 09:04
Quoting davkat19:
They would be FOOLISH to trade Gonzo why not try to build a team around him? That is the 1 draw back I have with the Padres. They will trade away a solid ball players instead of getting players to make the team a better team!!

I have been a Padre Fan for 40 years and extremely frustrated 38 of those years!! I hope and pray that someday owership will see that if you keep the players the fans will SUPPORT you. With the fans the income will arrive to pay the players fans want to watch!
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# 2010-11-06 07:22
I don't know about that. A few years ago I went up to SD with my dad. The Pads were in first place, yet we were able to walk right up to the box office 30 minutes before the game and get third row seats behind the home dugout with no problem.
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# 2010-11-05 09:22
Let's go O's!!!

if the oriole's can't make this trade then they need to pick up Dunn and platton him at first and DH
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+1 # Frankiepadres 2010-11-05 14:20
Great piece Brian. A very in depth look at the possible destinations and prospects. A realistic approach that I can identify with, research! I hate to see A-Gone go but hopefully we can get the quality of players to fill holes we desperately lack. One of the most thorough, realistic pieces I have read on Adrian and potential landing spots.

My only criticism would not to rule out as many teams so easily because of their 1st base prospects or Blanks being set in stone as the future.
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# briankoke 2010-11-05 19:32
I find it hard to believe that the Padres would already give up on Blanks' potential after only 102 poor AB's. It's clear that he cannot stay in the outfield, blocking him makes no sense, and we have several bigger holes. Ruling them out may not be fair, but those all seem highly unlikely.
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# 2010-11-06 16:31
[quote name="briankoke"]I find it hard to believe that the Padres would already give up on Blanks' potential after only 102 poor AB's. It's clear that he cannot stay in the outfield, blocking him makes no sense, and we have several bigger holes. Ruling them out may not be fair, but those all seem highly unlikely. Casey Kelly, Ellsbury, lowrie, and someone like westmoreland?


nice article. im a big adrian fan, but im finally realizing that we cant afford him. when do you think his value will be higher on the trade market? now, or in july, when teams could be more desperate?
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# briankoke 2010-11-06 19:29
Some think his value is higher at the deadline because teams will be more desperate. I don't feel that way. Certain teams that may be interested now could find another long term solution or fall out of contention and lose interest. It's a fluid situation.
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# 2010-11-06 01:40
Greetings from Baltimore, Padres fans. Her's hoping Orioles management finds a way to make a fair and generous offer for your superstar first baseman. I know its bitter to consider a trade of your homegrown local hero, but we have tremendous depth in young starting pitching and outfielders. There is a good match to be made here, and us middle market teams need to work together for the mutual good.
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